3: He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4: Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.
5: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with his stripes we are healed.
-Isaiah, chapter 53
6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
-Isaiah, chapter 9
In the New Testament, Jesus says in 3 of the Gospels that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5), and Jesus said that He existed before Abraham and calls Himself "I AM" which is the name that God identified Himself to Moses at the burning bush (John 8:58).
Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnessess. Are they familiar with these verses from the Holy Bible?
I have never understood that either.He is on every page if you have eyes to see and ears to hear.Those are both spiritual.He said I and my Father are one.When you have seen Me you have seen my Father.Since the Holy Ghost was the Father Of Jesus And Mary was over shadowed by the Holy Ghost that makes it the Father and Jesus the Holy Ghost.He said I and my Father are ONE.HE said before Abraham was I AM.IT says that thru and by Jesus every thing was made that was made.And to clarify when Jesus was praying that was the flesh talking the Christ part.who had to hang on that tree.The flesh who was the right hand of the Father that was the Word that was made flesh.The one whom they knew as God and glorified Him not as God.Yes HE was the only begotten of the Father[the Holy Ghost]the only Christ or sacrifice worthy to die for ALL sin.
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Reply:I think you'll find there are different edits of the bible, there is no universal book that incorporates all Judeo-Christianity. There are many less/more accurate interpretations. Report It
Reply:When you look at the context of the verse you are tying to use to prove the trinity, You will find that they fail, John 10:30, re-read vs 31 - 38, and you will see one in works, God's Son, and equal to human gods Ps 82:6 Report It
Reply:Psalm 83:18 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
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18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
John 3:16 Jesus was created by his father. Check the meaning of begotten in the dictionary.
Jesus prays to his God
Matt. 26:39, RS: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)
John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”
1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. So the truth here stated applies to the relationship between God and Christ in heaven.)
Just before Jesus died he prayed to his God , "My God My God why have you forsaken me?"
Reply:These verses don't prove that Jesus is God, Jesus is a mighty god, but Jehovah is God Almighty, Jesus is the everlasting father as he took Adam's place as our eternal father in that now through him we have everlasting life. Jesus said, I was, corcerning being before Abraham as Jesus existed in heaven with his Father from the beginning. And what about Colossians 1:15 that says Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATION, not just some creation but all creation, and being born means being brought forth, created, Jehovah has no beginning and Jesus does which means Jehovah God created Jesus as the first of all creation. Proverbs 8:22-36.
Reply:Wow! You mean there are people who DON'T believe the exact same thing you do?! Say it isn't so! %26lt;/sarcasm%26gt;
Buy a ladder and get over it.
Reply:who was in the John @ 8:58 ?
Oh was that AM Or PM ?
Reply:Notice that Jesus prays to One whom he calls “the only true God.” He points to God’s superior position when he continues: “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.” (John 17:5) Since Jesus prayed to God requesting to be alongside God, how could Jesus at the same time be “the only true God”?
In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: “Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare,” but it added that it is not “a biblical idea.”
Was Jesus Also Called God?
Although Jesus never claimed to be God, as Jehovah’s appointed ruler he is identified in Isaiah’s prophecy by the terms “Mighty God” and “Prince of Peace.” Isaiah’s prophecy adds: “To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end.” (Isaiah 9:6, 7) So, as the “Prince”—the son of the Great King, Jehovah—Jesus will serve as Ruler of the heavenly government of “God Almighty.”—Exodus 6:3.
Yet, a person may ask, ‘In what sense is Jesus a “Mighty God,” and didn’t the apostle John say that Jesus is himself God?’ In the King James version of the Bible, John 1:1 reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Some argue that this means that “the Word,” who was born on earth as the baby Jesus, is Almighty God himself. Is this true?
If this verse were interpreted to mean Jesus was himself God Almighty, it would contradict the preceding statement, “the Word was with God.” Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person. Many Bible translations thus draw a distinction, making clear that the Word was not God Almighty. For example, a sampling of Bible translations say the following: “The Word was a God,” “a god was the Word,” and “the Word was divine.”*
Bible verses that in the Greek language have a construction similar to that of John 1:1 use the expression “a god.” For example, when referring to Herod Agrippa I, the crowds shouted: ‘It is a god speaking.’ And when Paul survived a bite by a poisonous snake, the people said: “He is a god.” (Acts 12:22; 28:3-6) It is in harmony with both Greek grammar and Bible teaching to speak of the Word as, not God, but “a god.”—John 1:1.
Consider how John identified “the Word” in the first chapter of his Gospel. “The Word became flesh and resided among us,” he wrote, “and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs [not to God but] to an only-begotten son from a father.” So “the Word,” who became flesh, lived on the earth as the man Jesus and was seen by people. Therefore, he could not have been Almighty God, regarding whom John says: “No man has seen God at any time.”—John 1:14, 18.
‘Why, then,’ one may ask, ‘did Thomas exclaim when seeing the resurrected Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”?’ As already noted, Jesus is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father. Jesus had just told Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” Remember, too, why John wrote his Gospel. Three verses after the account about Thomas, John explained that he wrote so that people “may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God”—not that he is God.—John 20:17, 28, 31.
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Reply:What's you're question/point? Why don't you focus on living your life instead of trying to convert people of one false religion to your own on the internet through the asking of rhetorical questions. I respect and disagree with your beliefs but not your attempt to disregard the ideals of others.
Reply:The increasingly popular "I AM" as a reference to the Judeo-Christian God is not entirely incorrect, but it is an oversimplification. An expression which more accurately approximates the flavor of the original Hebrew is "I Shall Prove To Be What I Shall Prove To Be"; the Almighty is more than a 'snapshot' in time, but an ongoing manifestation of His own ability to do and be anything.
http://watchtower.org/e/20040122/
(Exodus 3:13-14) Moses said to the true God: “Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them, ‘The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,’ and they do say to me, ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to them?” 14 At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.’”
Leeser, “I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE”
Rotherham, “I Will Become whatsoever I please.”
That Exodus 3:14 expression is rich in meaning, but the Scriptures themselves actually include the Divine Name itself nearly 7000 times. The name "Jehovah" is an English translation of the Hebrew name pronounced as or similar to "Yahweh" or "Yehowah"; the exact original pronunciation is unknown. The four Hebrew characters corresponding to the letters "YHWH" are well-recognized as the biblical personal name of Almighty God, and are universally designated as "the Tetragrammaton" or "the Tetragram".
http://watchtower.org/e/na/
Interestingly, Christendom has largely joined with superstitious Jews in suppressing the use of "Yahweh" and "Jehovah". However, it seems that Christiandom's anti-YHWH bias largely devolves from their hatred of Jehovah's Witnesses, the religion almost single-handedly responsible for the growing public recognition that the Almighty God of Judaism and Christianity actually does a personal name.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/pr/art...
(Psalms 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth
(John 17:26) [Jesus said] I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them
Incidentally, Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians; they teach that Christ was and is divine and of the same nature as God. Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!
Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. However, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.
(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation
(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.
(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak
(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am
(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him
(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father
(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God
(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him
Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!
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Reply:Jonn 17:3,5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Gal.1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,
the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Rev.3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Matt.3:16,17; 6:9-13; 16:16,17; 22:37-40; John 14:13.14.15.26.28, 16:23,26; 20:17;
Reply:Like anything else, verses taken out of context can be twisted to mean just about anything. When read in context...and in their original language, the meaning becomes crystal clear.
Reply:http://www.Apologeticsindex.net has some great info on these and other cults.
Reply:i would think so !
Reply:Should they be? Keep the Bible where it belongs and don't throw in the cauldron of religious hatred other religions.
Reply:Another preacher. Instead of preaching, why don't you educated yourself in these religions to learn what and why they believe.
Also, Christians have completely misunderstood Isaiah. They made it say what they wanted it to say.
Reply:all they have in commom is that they are cults of satan
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